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    January 23, 2013
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scandals. small businesses are starting to hire. spending over christmas was reasonably good. the stock market is at a five-year high. housing market is coming back. builders are in fact building new homes. because of the demand in housing . all of a sudden into the congress of the united states of the says we are going to put the full faith and credit of the united states of america on a 90-day leash. we are going to take the greatest economy in the greatest country, with the greatest responsibility in the world and we are going to put them on a 0-day leash. . how does a great country respond on a 90-day leash? we know what happened the world saw this happened. we got downgraded in the credit rating. that drove up the cost of borrowing in the united states. that drove up the borrowing cost of corporations. that drove up the costs of
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counties and cities that we represent. and we're told again that should we falter on the credit debt of the united states, that we can expect a downgrade and we can expect a further downgrade in cities and counties all over the country. and somehow we're supposed to believe this is a good plan. what this plan does -- can i have three additional minutes? mr. mcgovern: i yield the gentleman two additional minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. miller: what this plan does is hold the jobs of american families and working people all across this had country, it holds them hostage. it holds them hostage to the passage of this legislation. it holds them hostage 90 days from now. this bill says if you don't vote for the ryan budget, because we know the votes are on the other side of the aisle to pass the ryan budget, then we go back to putting the credit of the united states at risk. the last time the american people looked at the ryan budget, they rejected it
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overwhelmingly. do you remember the election of november just a couple months ago? they rejected those cuts in medicare, those cuts in medicaid, those -- the tax cuts for the wealthy. and yet all of this is being put back on the table by holding the debt limit hostage, holding the credit hostage, holding american jobs hostage. so if you don't vote for that budget, then they get to play with the debt limit again. they get to play with the debt limit again. we got big lists to make between now and then, folks. we have sequestration. we have tax reform. we have a budget to write. let's just get down to the business and do it. just do it. don't play with the credit of this country. don't play with people's pension plans. don't play with the interest rates of corporations have to pay to borrow. don't play with the interest rates your local municipalities have to borrow for projects in
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their district. this has got to stop. if you really believe that america is a great country, if you really believe that we're an international power, then we ought to start acting like one in the congress -- and the congress of the united states should start acting like it. and 90-day extensions on the credit worthiness of the united states is not the picture you paint when you're an international power. it has to stop. it has to stop. we cannot continue to go through this and put all of this at risk and put this recovery that is in fact happening -- mr. mcgovern: i yield the gentleman an additional one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. miller: because of the action of the majority here in the house to once again -- you want to shut down the government, have at it. i was here when it happened before. you'll find all your constituents up close and personal. you'll get to know them. that's a lot different. that's a lot different action.
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you want to go off just ration, you don't like the cuts -- sequestration, you don't like the cuts, fine. you told the american people with your votes, you're prepared to have sequestration if we didn't do the job. so you got a lot of tough votes to make. don't try to avoid them by holding the credit worthiness of the united states at risk. it has got to stop and it should stop today on the floor of the house of representatives which says to the world, we are prepared to have this country pay the bills, the debts that were incurred by this action. it's got to stop today with a no vote against this legislation. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. sessions: thank you very much, mr. speaker. as always, this floor is open to people who have ideas. i'd like to say to the american people and to my colleagues that are listening, republican
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leadership has decided to bring this bill to the floor today. we have no clue exactly what date the united states actually makes sure we pass this bill to avoid not paying our bills. secretary of the treasury is an active -- on active notification with our leadership and with members of the senate. we don't know when that day is. because we don't know what that day is, that's a good reason to begin working on ideas to see whether we can even pass this bill. i think we're going to. i think it's a bipartisan bill. i don't think everybody necessarily has the same concerns that the gentleman from texas spoke of. what we're trying to do is work together. conservative republicans in our party do support this bill.
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i support this bill as a conservative republican. our speaker is a conservative republican who supports this bill. but what it's about is avoiding the problems of chaos, avoiding the problems of doing things at the last minute, avoiding the problems of not addressing the issue, avoiding the problems where the marketplace is -- loses confidence in what we're doing. chairman paul ryan, chairman of our budget committee, bright young leader for our country forth rightly brought this idea to our conference, has sold it. it's the right thing to do. we are trying to do here today the right thing, talking with the american people, letting people see that we're moving forward to avoid conflict and avoid problems. it was accomplished with this
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five-page bill, five-page bill which we will then have two committee chairmens. paul ryan representing the budget committee. dave camp. candice miller and the house administrator work through careful ideas that really are not difficult to get because it's a five-page bill. we think we're doing the right thing. we think we got the votes. we think it's going to provide this country and the senate and this administration us all working together the right thing. so if you want to oppose it i get that. i can understand the positions held. but that's -- but passing the bill will be a positive thing. it will offer working together relationships with the senate. it is supported and not opposed by the president, i think gives
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us a good opportunity to put a good foot forward in this congress, rather than one we're fighting and disagreeing and can't get our act together. the american people demand we get things done. the american people are asking, hey, when possible, can you guys work together? yes, we can. today is a day where we can say, mr. speaker, people from nebraska, people from texas, people from ohio, people from all over this country, can you work together? we're trying to find a way. i'm proud of that. we are going to stand behind our product today with a money back guarantee, a money back guarantee if we don't get our job done, we're not being to take the pay. i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. mcgovern: mr. speaker, i yield myself 30 seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for 30 seconds. mr. mcgovern: let's be clear, this house is not open to new ideas. if it was we would not be coming to the floor with a
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closed rule. so the members cannot offer their ideas in the form of amendments. secondly, their gimmick even has a gimmick to it. they say if the senate doesn't act or a house doesn't act on a budget, they don't get paid. they get paid at the end of the year. so their pay is not taken away. this is show business. instead of show business and instead of gimmicks, we ought to be coming to the house floor in a bipartisan way trying to figure out how to solve some of these budgetary problems. i regret very much that this is the best we can do, kicking the can down the road for three months. mr. speaker, i yield one minute to the gentleman from california, mr. berra. -- mr. bera. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. bera: as an original co-sponsor on the original no budget, no pay act, i'm glad that the 113th congress will pass a responsible budget that
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not only honors the promises that we made to our parents and grandparents but secures a prosperous future for our children and grandchildren. the great speaker of the house, the honorable tip o'neill, was able to work with president ronald reagan to revamp our tax code and strengthen social security. the honorable speaker newt gingrich was able to work with president bill clinton to not only balance our budget but to create a budget surplus. we can do this but we must do so in a bipartisan fashion, taking the best ideas from both sides of the aisle, finding common ground and moving forward. thank you. i yield back the remainder of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from texas. mr. sessions: thank you, mr. speaker. we'll reserve our time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from massachusetts. mr. mcgovern: two minutes to the gentlewoman from texas, ms. jackson lee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for
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two minutes. ms. jackson lee: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. ms. jackson lee: i thank very much to my friend from massachusetts. i thank very much to my friend from texas. i hope all of us will commit to doing our job. i'm glad that my good friend recognizes that in the constitution, article 1, section 8, the congress has the power to collect taxes and duties and to pay the debt and also be concerned about the general welfare. really what the administration says is they support a long-term increase in the debt ceiling and the reason why the people of the united states have not heard of this controversy is because the normal course of business, constitutionally, is for the congress to consult with the treasury, the treasury to consult with the congress, the debt ceiling is raised in a manner that protects the general welfare of the american people. but now we have a proposal that is driven by polling and
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brinksmanship. this is not the way to run a country. i heard a comedian some years ago say what a great country, and we are a great country. i love america. the constitution emphasizes the greatness of this nation. but we don't play politics with something that is the ordinary course of business. spending cuts is a responsible way to govern, but it is to govern in a way that we sit at the table of reconciliation and we don't break the backs of seniors who relies on medicare and social security and veterans benefits. what we do is we sit at the table and we understand how to deal with the oncoming issue of the deficit. how do we deal with that? we do it with growth. in the constitution it doesn't suggest under this article we ought to do brinksmanship and to do two weeks or to may. what happens in may? a crisis where we can't pay our military? the debt ceiling is paying the debt. i am troubled, i am troubled by the fact that we would use this
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tactic. i want bipartisanship. in fact, someone who raises issues about the vulnerable, like myself, have worked with my republican friends. i look forward to doing it. i am an american. i believe in the constitution, but you do not raise the debt ceiling in increments. the administration says we won't stop it but we want a long-term increase so we can begin to discuss the building of this nation. growth, the constitution, that's what we should be talking about, making america better. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. the gentleman from texas is recognized. mr. sessions: thank you very much, mr. speaker. the gentlewoman from texas, houston, texas, is absolutely correct. we do need long-term growth of our economy. we need jobs. we need job creation. we need to be able to reduce the debt of this country. the president is well aware, we're well aware here in congress that each of the years
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that the president has been our president you he increased spending. he wants -- president, he increased spending. he wants a massive tax increase. we have a deficit of $1.3 trillion each of these years. we're trying to work together. we're trying to, as the president said as he addressed a luncheon the day just an hour after he was sworn in, that he wants to learn from some of the things that he's done. he wants to do better. some of doing better is a chance to perhaps reassess. did i do the right thing the first time? did i do the right thing when i continue to raise taxes and demand that we do that? higher taxes diminish jobs and opportunity and growth in this country, and that's why we're trying to suggest openly, mr. president, let's grow some
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jobs, let's dot things i think are more in line with what president george w. bush did, referred to as number 43 in texas, dallas, texas. number 43 had 60 straight months of economic growth. 60 straight months of economic growth with the underpinning of reducing taxes so that americans would go and work harder and see the incentive for creating jobs and would want to buy into the philosophy that the harder that we work, our country benefits. . ed underpinnings of social security, of medicare, of medicaid systems that are very important to our country. reducing the number of people
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who have to receive government assistance is what happens when you have job growth. protecting the long-term interest of this country and growing the american dream. the gentlewoman from houston is absolutely correct, and the methodology towards getting there is not higher taxes, it is not higher spending, it is giving more freedom and opportunity. it is having a reduced size of the government, not a bigger government. it is giving people an opportunity to have fewer rules and regulations, not more rules and regulations. so the process that the republican party believes in deeply is, the rights of individuals, freedom and opportunity, and reducing the size of government gives more people opportunities to empower their freedom and opportunity for their american dream.
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i think we believe it and i think it works. look at texas and you will see where we have job growth, job creation, a healthier economy than other places in the country, and an opportunity to say we want more of it for all of america. mr. speaker, i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from massachusetts. mr. mcgovern: how much time do i have remaining? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman has two minutes remaining. mr. mcgovern: i yield one minute to the gentleman from texas. er -- i yield one minute to the gentleman from new jersey, mr. andrews. mr. andrews: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. andrews: i doubt very much anyone in america sits around saying i hope congress sets up another fiscal cliff. i hope they put us in the position again no one knows what's happening in the next couple months.
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that's what we are doing with this bill. we should listen to the president who said this, unfortunately congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before bringing responsibility. those who rely on social security and veterans benefits, interest rates would skyrocket, instability would occur in financial markets, and the federal deficit would soar. the united states has a special responsibility to itself and the world to meet its obligation. we should listen to this president. ronald reagan said this in 1986, in 1986 the congress listened to him, extended the debt ceiling, and acted responsibly. so should we. this legislation sets up another fiscal cliff, another financial nightmare, another problem for the american people that we should avoid. i urge all members to vote no. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts has one minute left. the gentleman from texas reserves. mr. sessions: i reserve my time and have no additional speakers. mr. mcgovern: i yield myself the balance of the time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized.
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mr. mcgovern: we have a gimmick before us that withholds pay if we don't pass a budget, but not if you don't get a deal. it doesn't matter whether the budget is irreconcilable or partisan. it doesn't withhold anybody's pay, it just delays when you get the check. the problem is not the united states senate. i want to tell my friends. it is my friends on the other side of the aisle who do not want to deal. who want instead to basically annihilate and eviscerate the public sector. if you want to balance the budget, i say to my friends, will i tell you, pay for your wars, pay for your tax cuts. pay for your give aways to the -- give yahwehs -- giveaways to the country. i urge my colleagues to vote no, not kick the can down the road, deal with the problems as we see them right now. i urge my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, those especially who call for transparency, vote no on this closed rule. this is a closed rule. nobody has an opportunity to offer any other ideas. this is not the way we should be
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dealing with budget issues. vote no on this closed rule. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from texas is recognized. mr. sessions: thank you very much. i appreciate my colleagues, the gentleman, mr. mcgovern, the ranking member of the committee, ms. slaughter, and those democrat members who came down to express themself. i also appreciate the republicans that came down to talk about this important issue. mr. speaker, what we are doing is we are debating a bill, h.r. 325, that ensures that we will make sure that the obligations of the united states are taken care of. we are not trying to stand in the way. even the united states senate, senate majority leader has said, great job, house. thank you very much. we can work with this bill. we can work with you. members of my party have said, we think this is a responsible way to begin the process to avoid having to make difficult
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decisions at the very end. laid out a process. yesterday the gentleman from wisconsin, our young leader, paul ryan, chairman of the house budget committee, was asked in testimony, will you produce your end of the bargain that is in here? will you take care of your part with the knowledge that we are counting on that? the senate has said they think their part of the bargain, whether they pass this bill or not, they can step up to the responsibility. those leaders have said yes. we think we can. it's not perfect. by golly, i'm not sure what perfect is any more because perfect may not get passed in this house. but the fair and proper way to handle things where the american people have confidence in what we are doing, the markets have confidence in what we are doing, the budget is handled. all these things are placed in a
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systematic order of an understanding so that our members, the members of this body, can go home and communicate with people. here's what we think is going to happen next. avoiding problems is what speaker boehner and our great majority leader, eric cantor, are trying to do. they are bringing legislation to this floor that adequately begins the process before we get in trouble. five-page bill. ordered up exactly as the doctor would have wanted. in english where you can understand it, where it doesn't take a legal degree or for you to have to be in the house for 30 years to figure out what we are trying to say. what we are trying to say is right here. and that is, if the house and senate work together, we do a budget, we lay out to the american people what we are trying to do, we work with the president. we tell this administration and the government what we are
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doing, the american people can have confidence in this. i support this settlement. in fact, as chairman of the rules committee, i am asking for our members and all members of this body, to please see this as a responsible way to deal with the problems that are immediately in front of us but before it becomes a crisis. before it becomes something that we cannot deal with as effectively in bringing the american people. i also want to thank the president of the united states, president obama, president obama said he could live with this. i want to congratulate senator harry reid, senate majority leader, i'll say that here on the floor because he says it's the right thing to do and thank you for passing us a clean bill. that will give them the authority and the responsibility to do what they really want to do. not playing hardball. not throwing rocks. as a matter of fact senator harry reid said clean bill, good thing. that's up to them.
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it's up to them to take up their activities that are before us, and it's up to this house of representatives. as we finish this, the young leader of the ways and means committee, dave camp, paul ryan, and others will be here debating these ideas. immediately after that you will see where candice miller, the house administration chairman, will come and talk with this house and the american people about the responsibility that she has to ensure that what we do is correct and proper. and then this body will have a opportunity to vote yes or no, and that will be an authority and responsibility once again continue for paul ryan as the chairman of our budget committee and those members of the committee, republicans and democrats, to go to their work and get it done, produce a bill, and we will then comply. but if we don't, no work, no pay. that's something the american
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people can understand. it's simple, goes back to 1607. no work, no food. well, members of congress need to understand we got to get our job done. i'm proud of what we are doing here today. can i stand behind this product. and proudly say, i think this will pass not just the smell test of the american people, but something that they can understand. something which they will look forward to. and watch us as we do our job. i yield back the balance of my time. i move the previous question on the resolution. mr. mcgovern: inquiry, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: state your inquiry. mr. mcgovern: mr. speaker, isn't it true no matter what happens with this bill members will get paid no matter what? the speaker pro tempore: the chair cannot respond to that. mr. mcgovern: thank you. the speaker pro tempore: the question is the -- the question is on ordering the previous question on the resolution. all those in favor say aye. those opposed, say no.
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in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. mr. sessions: mr. speaker, on that qui the yeas and nays. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman requests the yeas and nays. the yeas and nays are requested. those favoring a vote by the yeas and nays will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, the yeas and nays are ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. pursuant to clause 8 and clause 9 of rule 20, this 15-minute vote on ordering the previous question will be followed by five-minute vote on adoption of the house resolution 39, if ordered, and approval of the journal, if ordered. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the speaker pro tempore: on this vote the yeas are 232. the nays are 193. the previous question is ordered. the question is on adoption of the resolution. those in favor say aye. those opposed say no. in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. for what purpose does the gentleman from massachusetts rise? mr. mcgovern: on that i ask for the -- recorded vote. the speaker pro tempore: a recorded vote is requested. those favoring a recorded vote will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, a recorded vote is
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ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a five-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the speaker pro tempore: on this vote the yeas are 234. the nays are 190. the resolution is adopted. without objection, a motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. pursuant to clause 8 of rule
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20, the unfinished business is the question on agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal which the chair will put de novo. the question is on agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. for what purpose does the gentleman from utah rise? mr. chaffetz: i ask for the yeas and nays. the speaker pro tempore: the yeas and nays are requested. those favoring a vote by the yeas and nays will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, the yeas and nays are ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a five-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the speaker pro tempore: on this vote the yeas are 291. the noes are 129 and two voting
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present. the journal is approved. for what purpose does the gentleman from michigan rise? camp camp mr. speaker, pursuant to house resolution 39, i call up the bill h.r. 329, the no budget, no pay act of 2013, and ask for its immediate consideration. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 325, a bill to ensure the complete and timely payment of the obligations of the united states government until may 19, 2013, and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to house resolution 39, the amendment printed in house report 113-2 is considered adopted and the bill, as amended, is considered as read. debate shall not exceed one hour with 40 minutes equally
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divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the committee on ways and means and 20 minutes equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the committee on house administration. the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp, and the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin, each will control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from michigan, mrs. miller, and the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. brady, each will control 10 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: mr. speaker, i ask -- the speaker pro tempore: the house is not in order. mr. levin: i want the chairman to be heard. the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is correct. the house is not in order. please remove all conversations off the floor to the cloakroom. please remove all conversations from the floor.
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the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: i thank the gentleman from michigan. mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to revise and extend their remarks and to include extraneous material on h.r. 325. the speaker pro tempore: hearing no objection, so ordered. mr. camp: mr. speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today in strong support of h.r. 325, the no budget, no pay act of 2013. this legislation directs members of the house and senate to adopt a budget resolution by april 15, 2013. if either body does not -- the speaker pro tempore: this house is not in order. please remove all conversations. the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: thank you, mr. speaker. either body does not adopt a budget resolution by april 15, 2013, members of that body will have their pay withheld until they pass a budget.
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it's simple. no budget, no pay. the american people understand that they don't get paid if they don't do their job, and neither should members of congress. in addition to ensure the complete and timely payment of obligations of the u.s. government, this legislation allows treasury to issue debt between the date of enactment and may 18, 2013. however, treasury may only issue enough debt necessary to pay bills coming due before may 18. i want to be perfectly clear on this point. this bill does not allow treasury to run up an unlimited amount of debt between now and may 18. the debt authorized under this bill must be tied to bills coming due during that time frame, and further on may 19, a new debt limit is automatically established. so that's what this bill does. the larger question is why are we even talking about the debt and debt limit. our nation's debt is not just some abstract number. it has a direct impact on
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american families. during the president's fiscal commission, the simpson-bowles commission, we heard nonpartisan testimony that when the debt is this large in comparison to the economy, it costs the country the equivalent of about one million jobs. think about that. if washington got its debt and spending under control, one million more americans will be working today. and if that wasn't sobering enough, fitch ratings recently warned that the failure to come up with a plan for reducing our debt would likely still result in a downgrade of the u.s. credit rating. a lower credit rating is sure to mean higher interest rate. that means higher credit card rates, higher student loans, certainly higher mortgage payments. despite these warnings, the democrat-controlled senate hasn't produced a budget in 1,300 days, four years without a budget. how can we begin to get our
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debt under control when democrats won't even produce a budget this bill is the first step in forcing democrats to put forward a budget so we can start holding washington accountable for its out of control spending. every day, american families have to make decisions abtheir household finances. they have to adjust their spending to cover a whole host of things, groceries, student loan payments, braces for children, and replacement for that aging refrigerator. of course they can't buy everything they want. every day they have to make tough choices. it's time for congress, the house, and the senate to make some tough choices. to be honest, mr. speaker, this isn't a tough choice where i come from. where i grew up if you didn't do your job, you didn't get paid. it's time for congress to start living with the same facts of life everyone else in america has to live with. i support the no budget new york pay act because it brings back accountability and common sense to washington and i urge my colleagues to join me in passing this bill.
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thank you, mr. speaker, i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman, mr. levin, is recognized. mr. levin: i yield myself such time as i may consume. this republican bill is not a change in policy. it's a change in tactics. house republicans continue to play with economic fire. they're playing political games with the debt ceiling. and that undermines certainty. yesterday, economist simon johnson of m.i.t. testified before our committee saying that a short-term increase would only extend uncertainty he said, i quote, you will continue to undermine the private sector, you will continue to delay investment and reduce employment relative to what it would be otherwise. let's for a second remember history. the last time the house republicans played political games with the debt ceiling,
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august 20 11, our economy produced the lowest job growth in three years. during that two-month period, the dow jones plummeted 2,000 points including one of its worst single day drops in history, 635 points on, on august 8. s&p downgrade the u.s. credit rating for the first time in history. leading republicans in june, 2011, criticized the notion of a short-term debt ceiling increase as providing a lack of certainty. the majority leader said, i quote, we feel very strongly that one of the reasons we continue to see an ailing economy is that people have very little confidence, have very little senchity in terms of where we are headed, end of quote. and our ways and means chairman echoed that feeling only days later, saying about the prospect of a short-term debt
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ceiling increase, in quote, it does not give you certainty. this bill does not give certainty but uncertainty. the action we took new year's day to avoid the fiscal cliff brought our total deficit reduction over the past two years to $2.5 trillion. what's more, it set the stage for future further balanced agreements that include both spending cuts and new revenue. we should proceed with that effort, not plunge into further uncertainty. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from smch recognized. mr. camp: i yield myself 15 seconds to say, standard and poor's downgraded the u.s. on
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august 5 after the solution was passed. therefore it reflects that what we agreed to falls short to stabilize the medium-term debt die nam ins. with that i yield two minutes to a distinguished member of the ways and means committee, the gentleman from wisconsin, mr. ryan. mr. ryan: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, recognized for two minutes. mr. ryan: you know what we know with certainty? we know with certainty a debt crisis is coming to america. this is not a question of if, it's a question of when. what is a debt crisis? it means we can't keep living beyond our means. we can't keep borrowing from our children's future this, we, our generation of americans, we are being selfish. we are taking from the next generation, their future. we have a moral obligation to
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fix that and if we have a debt crisis, those who get hurt the first and worst are those who need government the most. our seniors. the poor. the people live thoke safety net. that's who gets hurt in a debt crisis. we have an obligation to do something about this. and so what does this bill do? this bill simply says, congress, do your job. when i grew up in wisconsin if you had a job, and you did the work, then you got paid. if you didn't do the work, you didn't get paid. it's that simple. here's the point. we have a law. it's tchailed budget act. it requires that congress passes a budget. by april 15. all we're saying is congress, follow the law. do your work. budget. and the reason for this extension is so that we can
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have the debate we need to have. it's been a one-sided debate. the house of representatives has passed budgets. the other body, the senate, hasn't passed a budget for almost four years. we owe our constituents more than that. we owe them solutions. and when both parties put their solutions on the table, then we can have a good, clear debate about how to solve the problem. because the problem is not going away, no matter how much we can wish it away. the problem of debt, of deficit, of a debt crisis is here. we owe it to our children and grandchildren, we owe it to our constituents, to fix this this isn't a republican or a democrat thing. this is a math thing. and the math is vicious. and it's hurting our country. and it's hurting the next generation. and it's hurting our economy. and the sooner we can solve this problem, the better off everybody is going to be. that's why this needs to pass. the speaker pro tempore: the
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gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i yield two minutes to the ranking member of the budget committee, mr. van hollen. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. van hollen: look, this resolution contains some good news but lots of bad news for the american people. the good news is that our congressional republican colleagues have finally recognized that america must pay its bills and meet its financial obligations without condition. the bad news is they only want to do that for three months. just read the title. to ensure the complete and timely pame of the obligations of the united states government, until may 19. now if it's a good idea to maintain the obligations of the u.s. government between now and may 19, it sure is a good idea to make sure we meet the obligations of the united states government beyond that by setting up what amounts to
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another fiscal cliff, all our republican colleagues are doing is prolonging economic uncertainty. for the last two years, we have heard from our republican colleagues, economic uncertainty is bad for the economy. guess what? it is. yet that's exactly what you're doing. another big dose of economic uncertainty. this is a political effort simply to increase their negotiating strategy, leverage three months from now, at the expense of jobs in the economy and the american people. how do we know it's at the expense of jobs and the economy? because we saw what happened in august 20 11, as the ranking member of the ways and means committee said, worst month in terms of jobs. we lost, we saw our credit rating downgraded. and both g.a.o. and the bipartisan policy center have set a cost -- said it cost the taxpayers over $1 billion. that's all we're doing right now. another dose of uncertainty. to my friend and colleague the
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chairman of the budget committee, yes, we need budgets. yes we need to reduce our long-term deficits. that's never been the issue the issue is how. we believe we've got to make trget targeted cuts and reforms but we also believe we need to eliminate a lot of tax breaks and loopholes that we heard from our colleagues about in order to reduce the deficit in a balanced way. if you don't do that, you sock it to everybody else in the country. let's pass a balanced approach to reducing our deficit and not one that takes it out of the expenditure. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i would just say we have already increased the debt limit over $5 trillion in the obama administration, almost a 50% inkeys in the debt limit. let me also say we have had many, several, temporary short-term increases in the debt limit before there's been a more permanent long-term increase in 1987, 1990, 1996. it is not unprecedented, the action we're going to be taking
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today. with that, i yield two minutes to the distinguished member of the ways and means committee, the gentleman from washington state, mr. reichert. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. reichert: thank you, mr. speaker. let me see if i can simplify this a little bit. so there's three branches of government. two branches of the government have responsibility for the budget. and there's three piece to those two branches. the white house is one, the administration needs to produce a budget. the house republicans need to produce a budget. the senate democrats need to produce a budget. for the system to work. well, the president produced his budget. even though we may not agree with it on this side of the aisle. it's increased our deficit from $ 1.4 trillion too $16.4 trillion. some people at home may not grasp the on kept of $16 trillion. let's just talk about $1
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trillion. if we spent $1 a second, mr. speaker, how long would it take us to spend that $1 trillion? 36,000 years. we are 16 of those in debt. 16 of those in debt. it's time for the senate to do their job. now even though admiral mullen has said our greatest national security threat is our deficit, and even though the senate has raised their right hand and said, and took an oath, to protect and defend this great nation of ours and defend the constitution, they still have not acted. they still have not done their job. to protect and defend. to uphold the oath that they took. even though admiral mullen has said, and i repeat, the national security is a great risk because of our $16
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trillion deficit. if you own a home and off $50 thourblings a year job -- job and you're making your payments on a car and a house and you're thinking things are going just fine. but you know, i want to add to that. so i'm going to buy a new big screen tv, put a pool table in, buy two more cars, put a pool in the back. i'm going to fix the place up, all of a sudden you realize, i can't pay for it. so you have some options available. you have to raise revenue you go out, get two or three more jobs, or your wife goes to work or your kids have to go to work. and that still doesn't meet your responsibilities. so you have to stop spending. right? stop spending. the only other option now is, get rid of some of the stuff you can't pay for because even though you might have stopped spending and taken another job and raised revenue, now you've got to get rid of stuff. get rid of the pool table -- mr. camp: i yield the gentleman
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15 seconds. mr. reichert: we've got to start cutting things. we need to stop spending. we need to stop spending in this country. the senate needs to do their job. no budget, no pay. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expire. the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i yield one minute to the gentleman from new york, mr. rangel. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. rangel: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, so ordered. mr. rangel: i don't think anyone challenges the fact that we have to stop overspending. you can't simplify it and say, stop spending. the problem is that the debt ceiling has nothing to do with the full faith and credit of money that's already spent. and that we have plenty of time to talk about taxes and spending, if we talk about concurrent resolutions, if we were talking about sequestration.
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if what you're saying is that if there's a budget that i have to vote yes or no on, and one budget says that one way to close and reduce the deficit is to go after the people that are the poorest, the most sick and the oldest and call that entitlement cutbacks, and if i don't vote for that, then it means that the government is not going to pay me, i can go home very easily and tell them a bad budget is worse than no budget and once again, we are holding the spending cuts that a will the -- a lot of people want that should be negotiated hostage. perhaps we've not a three-month -- we've got a three-month reprieve. but the fact remains this is holding up the president and our country from getting on with what we should do, when the impact, fiscal impact of this on our country throughout the world is dangerous.
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the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield one minute to a distinguished member of the ways and means committee, the gentleman from new york, mr. reed. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. reed: i stand and rise today in support of this no budget, no pay proposal. this is why we ran for office. this is why i came to washington, d.c., to stand for a vision that's going to attack the debt crisis that is upon us today. the debt crisis that threatens our children and our grandchildren for generations if we do not get our fiscal house in order in washington, d.c. it is time to put up the visions of the house republicans versus the senate democrats as to what the proposals to move forward to solve this debt crisis are. we owe it to the american people to be open and honest with hardworking taxpayers that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle want to stand for budgets that are all about tax increases, so be it.
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i believe there's a better way and that better way will be in a house republican budget that does the responsible thing and lays out a vision of growth and opportunity for generations to deal with this unsustainable debt crisis that is now upon us. with that i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i yield one minute to another member of our committee, mr. mcdermott from washington. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. mcdermott: mr. speaker, here we are with another republican straw man out here, a bill set up to fail. the senate has not yet adopted its rules. we don't know where the filibuster is going to be used or anything, and you're saying they have to do something by a fixed date. now, we've had fixed dates in here as long as i've been here, and we never make them.
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but what we are creating is continuous chaos in the economic world globally, and what you're doing this is simplely say -- simply saying, let's have a big kurfuffle. we'll all bring up the same piece of paper and read it and give the same speech and we will continue to retard the ability of the american economy to move forward. recannot send the message worldwide that the united states has lost the ability to make decisions. to pay its debts. if that's the message you want the world to get, that's what this is about today. i'm voting against this. bring back one that lifts the debt limit and gets it out of the way so we can get down to the cost cutting. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired.
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the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i yield one minute to a distinguished member of the ways and means committee, the gentlewoman from tennessee, mrs. black. the speaker pro tempore: gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. mrs. black: thank you. as a charter member of the fixed congress now caucus and early supporter of the no budget, no pay, i am very exciting that this legislation will be voted on in the house in just a little bit. we on the house budget committee work hard to pass a responsible budget each year, but the democrat-controlled senate refuses to do the same. in fact, it has been nearly four years since the senate has passed a budget, and since that time, the government has racked up annual deficits exceeding $1 trillion a year and in total more than $5 trillion in four years. if we say on this current path -- stay on this current path of record deficits, big government and unfunded entitlement programs, greece's presence will be america's future.
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-- greece's present will be america's future. the debt crisis is not something we want for our children and grandchildren. accountability in the halls of congress cannot wait. today, we will make an important step in the house to force the senate to either do its job or face the consequences. it's simple. no budget, no pay. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i now yield one minute to the gentleman from massachusetts, mr. neal. the speaker pro tempore: thank you, mr. neal. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. neal: our job here is to educate the public, not to entertain them. they ran up deficits on the republican side of $6 trillion during an eight-year period of time. $2.3 trillion worth of tax cuts and two wars, and now they come back today with a glitzy proposal, no work, no pay. institutional memory.
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you remember term limits. remember those in favor say aye line-item veto, the constitutional theorists, they got rid of that. and how about they were going to pass a balanced budget amendment to the constitution? my dad used to say, at least jesse james had enough personal respect to wear a mask. the people that put us into this situation are now quibbling about raising the debt ceiling when they almost broke the country with the proposals that they offered all of those years and never once did they ask president bush. not once did they deny president bush on those proposals. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i yield one minute to a distinguished member of the ways and means committee, the gentleman from illinois, mr. ross come. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. ross come: thank you, mr.
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speaker -- mr. rosk up: thank you, mr. speaker -- mr. roskum: thank you, mr. speaker. it is common sense to require people if they're getting compensation to do their job. it's been four years. it's been since rod blagojevich, the governor of illinois, was indicted since the united states budget -- the united states senate has passed a budget. and now we have an opportunity to put pressure on the other body and that is to do their work. we don't do ourselves, we don't do our children, we don't do the taxpayers any favor by creating a climate that says folks don't have to do their work. we don't get to a solution or a remedy unless we pass budgets. this is an opportunity to get on record, to put the other body out into open fields so we can have a discussion and move this country on a pathway that makes sense. we ought to pass this and pass
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it quickly. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i now yield one minute to mr. becerra, a member of our committee, and chairman of our caucus. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. becerra: you buy a house, you pay your mortgage. well, at least in this bill for three or four months. you want your kids to go to college, you take out a student loan, and you'll tell the bank, i'll pay for three, four months and we'll talk again. you buy a car, you tell the dealer, love to buy the beautiful car. and you tell the dealer, let's talk in three, four months about what we'll do with the debt. this simply creates more uncertainty, another fiscal cliff and yet another economic case of sabotage against the american public. the party that voted for tax cuts for the wealthy, two wars and a massive new prescription
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drug benefit program and put all the costs of that on a credit card does believe it's important now to honor those obligations, pay those bills and maintain the full faith and credit of the united states of america. now with this new congress we have an opportunity to find common ground, not more conflict. instead, our republican colleagues are threatening three strikes against the middle class, against small businesses and the u.s. economy. the u.s. default, government shutdown and sequestration. let's start talking about what really matters to americans. the biggest deficit we face, a jobs deficit. let's get to work putting americans back to work. let's be problem solvers, not problem makers. it's time to get america moving again. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp. mr. camp: at this time, mr. speaker, i yield one minute to a distinguished member of the ways and means committee, the gentleman from indiana, mr. young. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. young: thank you, mr.
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chairman, mr. speaker. as i straffle in my south central indiana -- as i travel in my south central indiana district, i hear two simple requests from my constituents. first, they want us to get our spending and our debt under control. secondarily, they want us to work together collectively, republicans and democrats, to get that important job done. that's why i support this proposed legislation, h.r. 325. now, the bill strikes me as imminently reasonable because it not only satisfies those simple requests, it asks us to do our job. we are required under law as has been said before to pass a budget. the house is required to do it and the senate is required to do it. the senate has not done it for four years. now, a budget is essentially spending priorities. it lays out your vision for the future, whatever solutions you may or may not have are revealed in a budget. it's not easy to put together a budget. sometimes it's unpopular but it is our duty. so i say no budget, no pay. i am tired of the senate being
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dilatory in its responsibilities. they need to pass a budget. that's why i urge my colleagues to support this legislation. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i yield one member to -- i yield one minute to a member of our committee, mr. blumenauer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. blumenauer: we continue to talk past one another. the issue is not passing a budget or passing a budget. the issue is whether or not we are going to take fundamental steps to reform the way that we spend money around here. my good friend, mr. ryan, and the republican budget that they passed on a couple of occasions, would have required trillions of dollars in additional budget -- in additional debt ceiling increase and wouldn't be balanced for several decades. let's stop playing games with the form and let's sit down and work on the things we agree upon.
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i think the american public would support us if we took out tens of billions of dollars of unnecessary spending for redundant nuclear weapons, to reform the scandal that is the crop insurance program that in cents people to plant land that they should not plant and drives up losses. let's accelerate health care reform, like we're doing in oregon, that would save over $1 trillion if it were applied nationally. let's get down and do it. act, don't debate. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield one minute to a distinguished member of the ways and means committee, the gentleman from nebraska, mr. smith. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. smith: mr. speaker, i rise today in support of h.r. 325. the bill is an important step toward getting our fiscal house in order because it requires the senate to finally pass a budget, something american families and businesses do each and every day.
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the federal government is currently in the process of accumulating its fifth consecutive $is trillion deficit. we need a -- $ trillion deficit. we need a -- $1 trillion deficit. we need a serious plan to address the deficit, however, the senate has gone nearly four years without passing an annual budget. taking a year by year approach and addressing only discretionary spending will not solve our long-term spending problem. we must take a comprehensive long-term approach to the federal budget, a comprehensive approach to spending must address the long-term solvency issues on entitlements such as medicare, medicaid and social security. without reform, spending will remain on an unsustainable path while the medicare and social security trust funds are emptied before the majority of americans currently are paying in even qualified to become beneficiaries of those programs. today's legislation will allow us to work with the senate in achieving this long-term deficit solution we know would meet the needs of americans. thank you. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the
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gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i yield one minute to the gentleman from new jersey, a member of our committee, mr. pascrell. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. pascrell: mr. speaker, the 14th amendment of the constitution states, if i may paraphrase, the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. in other words, we don't even have the power really in that section 4 of that amendment. you take a look at it and read it what our objectives are rather than bring to debate year after year whether we should raise the debt limit. we ought to do our jobs. it will be foolish if people around the world began to wonder once again whether or not the congress will give the president the ability to pay the debts that we racked up. both sides voted for many of this. the fact is that the united
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states, as the president said, is not a deadbeat nation. we will pay our obligations, both to our bondholders and to seniors and veterans and middle class. so i'm glad my colleagues on the other side have edged slightly away from the precipice of default. they are still leaving themselves room to backtrack if they don't get what they want. and just the fact that the conference chairperson has said, if we have to shut down the government to make sure president obama understands that, we're serious, that's almost treason, according to the 14th amendment. thank you. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: thank you. at this time i yield one minute to a distinguished member from illinois, mr. davis. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. davis: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise in support of h.r. 325, base opped a simple principle if congress doesn't pass a
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budget, congress doesn't get paid. we cannot start the process of controlling spending in this country without a budget. we also cannot ask hard working taxpayers to manage their own budget when elected leaders fail to do sthosme house has passed a budget each of the last two years. the other body must do theirs if we are going to control the out of control spending. for years the senate has gotten away without passing a budget but they have found time to pass laws that increase spending. s that terrible way to run a government and i support this bill which will pay for bills already obligated. we have to stop the political gamesmanship occurring here in this town and work together to find common sense solutions to cut spending and find savings in our budget. i look forward to passing this bill that will finally hold congress accountable and begin put -- putting america on a debt repayment plan and stop future generation from paying
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for the mistakes of the past. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: can i ask how much time is remaining on both sides. the speaker pro tempore: yes, you may. this secret from michigan has nine and a half minutes, the other secret from michigan has five and a half minutes and the gentleman -- five and a quarter for mr. camp. mr. levin? mr. levin: i yield one minute to the gentleman not from michigan but from the distinguished state of wisconsin, mr. kind. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from wisconsin is recognized for one minute. mr. kind: thank you, mr. speaker. i thank the gentleman for yielding me time. mr. speaker, the legislation before us today solves no problems. in fact it just min tains the great uncertainty hanging over the u.s. and global economy. whether or not we are going to jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states of america in de-- and default on our nation's financial
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obligations for the first time in our nation's history. i do not for the life of me understand why anyone would jeopardize that safe haven that's been established in this country. we all know what needs to be done to get our fiscal house in order. both parties have to lock arms and jump into the icy water and make digs together. every bipartisan commission that's been formed to address the issue has come up with the same solution, there has to be additional revenue and spending cuts to make this work. but my friends on the other side have had two national campaigns promising to restore funds to the medicare program and increase defense spend big over $2 trillion over the next 10 years. that's $2.7 trillion additional in the two largest spending program. we do need an honest conversation about this. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: i yield myself 15
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seconds, i ask unanimous consent to place in the record a letter from the executive office of the president that saysering and i quote, the administration would not oppose a short-term solution to the debt limit and looks forward to continuing to work with both the house and senate to increase certainty and stability for the economy. end quote. the speaker pro tempore: hearing no objection, so ordered. mr. camp: i reserve the plans of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman, mr. levin is recognized. mr. levin: i yield one minute to another member of our committee, mr. crowley. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. crowley: i thank the gentleman for yielding me this minute. the budget control act of 2011 sets the budget in the next 10 years. it says it in the name, the budget control act. we have a budget many place for 10 years. you don't like what you voted for now, i understand that, that's problematic. but this bill before us today is not a serious proposal by the house republicans but rather a gimmick. even "the wall street journal" called ate depimic.
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this bill does not provide certainty to the business community, the international markets or job creators here in the u.s. that the just government -- that the u.s. government will pay its bills. it sets up another g.o.p.-manufactured crisis in four months, putting the economy and the credit worthiness of our nation at risk. instead of no cliffs, my republican colleagues are creating a new cliff. the american people sent us here to work, not to play more games. but my republican colleagues are failing america again. only 38 of my republican colleagues voted for the hurricane sandy relief. only 85 of their members voted to provide tax cuts to the middle class. when it comes to pushing our country over the brink, they're all in. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan is recognized. mr. camp: thank you, mr. speaker. at this time i yield one minute to the distinguished gentleman from ohio, the speaker of the house. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. bayne --
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the speaker: let me thank my colleagues for yielding and ask my colleagues to vote for the no budget new york pay act. the premise here is simple. it says that there should be no long-term increase in the debt limit until there's a long-term plan to deal with the fiscal crisis that faces our country. every hard working taxpayer in america knows that they have to do a budget. every hard working taxpayer understands that you expect continue to spend money you don't have. we are committed to continue to do a budget every year. and if you think about this, it's not just that we've done a budget the last two years that addresses our fiscal crisis. even when the democrats had control in the two years before that you all did a budget. and yet, for four years, nearly four year the united states senate has not done a budget. and so this bill before us is real simple. it says congress if you don't do a budget you don't get paid.
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i have no doubt that we're going to do our work. weefer committed to doing a budget and a 10-year plan to solve our budget crisis and to balance our budget. frankly, i think it's time for the senate and the white house to produce a budget that will balance over the next 10 years. you know, most americans would look up and go, wait a minute, why do they need 10 years to plans the budget. but we the with baby boomers retiring and the fact it wasn't prepared for, it's going to take more time. but my goodness, we ought to be able to balance the tpwhunlt the next 10 years. balancing the budget in the next 10 years means we save the future for our kids and brand kids and it means we strengthen social security and medicare and medicaid that can't continue to exist in their current form without some kind of controls. it's time for congress to get serious thabt and this is the first step in an effort to bring real fiscal
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responsibility to washington. it's real simple. no budget, no pay. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman, mr. levin, from michigan is recognized. mr. levin: i yield two and a half minutes to our whip, mr. hoyer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman for yielding. i want to say to the speaker before he leaves the floor, i believe the speaker wants to get to a responsible agreement between our parties, between the house and the nat and between the congress and the president on getting to a a responsible way to reduce the budget. this bill is not that vehicle. this bill in my view is an irresponsible waste of our time. this bill does not do what republicans said they wanted to do over and over and over again. than is give a sense of certainty to our economy, to our people, and to the
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international community. this bill kicks the can down the road for 90 days. one more time. this bill simply puts a leverage point, another 90 days away, we can continue to royal -- this bill is a gimmick. it was cooked up a few miles from here when frankly the majority party said, we're in trouble. the people don't like us. things aren't going well. how do we fix it? well they came up with this gimmick. and the gimmick was, you don't vote the way we want you to vote, we won't pay you. now very frankly, the problem with that sprems that we are elected by 435 districts who have different perspectives. and my view is the overwhelming
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majority of us come here, work very hard on behalf of our constituents. but your constituents may not like what my constituents want. but that doesn't mean you have the right to say you're not going to get paid, mr. hoyer because we don't like what you're working for. if that's our premise we are holding hostage policy in an undemocratic dictatorial fax. not only that, this 90-day kicking the can down the road has not go -- has got to stop. we need to come to reality that it's not the debt limit that's the problem, and the president is right. the president has nothing to do with the debt limit. only this house and this senate can spend money. the president can't spend a nickel. only this house and only this senate. can i have one -- mr. levin: 30 seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the
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gentleman is recognized. mr. hoyer: the other problem with this,ing of, is we're not going to spend until 12 thoirt today discussing this critically important issue. we treat it like just a throwaway. i can't discuss the substance of this issue in the time allotted to me nor can any other member and when i had a magic one minute it was a little better, when i was majority leader. i miss that very much. but i urge both of us, both republicans and democrats, to come to grips with making the hard decisions, not the political demagoguery decisions that this bill protect -- projects. let us sit down and come to grips with the fact that yes, we need more revenues and yes we need to restrain spending and yes we need to restrain entitlements. i say that as the leader of my party. mr. levin: i yield 30 second. mr. hoyer: but i say you will not get there with gimmicks, you will not get there with
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pretense you will not get there with irresponsibility and kick the can down the road. i understand what you've done. you've taken your most controversial leverage point and put it at the end rather than the beginning of the process. but you still have the c.r. and you still have the sequester. and swreel to debate those. what we ought to be doing is extending this debt limit for one to four or six years, or eliminating it altogether. when you spend money it has nothing to do with the debt limit and everything to do with the actions of the congress. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i yield to the gentleman, mr. fitzpatrick, for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. fitzpatrick: this is not a gimmick for the past going on four years now, our friends in the senate have failed in their
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most basic act of governance, to pass a budget. the people i represent back in bucks county and montgomery county, pennsylvania, they wouldn't survive without being able to operate on a budget. the school districts, municipalities, boroughs, even this commonwealth of pennsylvania, all required to pass a budget that balances on time. i'm proud to have over the course of the past year been advocating consistently for no budget new york pay in this house. the hard working men and women that i represent wouldn't be paid if they didn't show up and they didn't do their job or get their job done on time this place should operate no differently. i call on all our members of the house, all my colleagues, support no budget new york pay in these difficult and troubled times. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i yield one minute to the gentleman from illinois, mr. davis. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. davis: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. davis: thank you, mr.
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chairman. no budget, no pay. no budget, no responsibility. no stability, no stability, no confidence. no confidence, no ability to borrow. to attract investors. h.r. 325 is a gimmick. tts a gimmick. i've always been taught that if you have a debt, pay it. delaying it drives up interest rates and is not the best approach to convincing investors and lenders that we have the ability to pay. if you convince people that you don't have the ability to pay, it is more likely that they're not going to let you have what you want. that's what i've been taught. they do not want fwimics. they want solutions. and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expire. the gentleman from michigan.
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mr. camp: i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin congress spowled you identify -- mr. levin: could you identify how much time we have left? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman, mr. levin, has three minutes. the gentleman, mr. camp, has three minutes also. mr. levin: i yield one minute to the congresswoman from california, ms. sanchez. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. . ms. sanchez: i'd like to thank my colleagues on the other size of the aisle, recognizing we can't disregard our obligations to seniors, veterans, and active military is a first big step. but this legislation doesn't create the long-term certainty that our economy needs. the small business owners that i talked to tell me they need certainty before they can invest in their businesses and hire more employees. instead of providing small businesses the long-term certainty they need, the republican-led house is just playing games. they are stringing the american
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public along so they can set up yet another dramatic showdown that only hurts our recovery. the mere mention of default sends markets plummeting, dries up hiring, and pulls the rug out of consumer confidence. businesses in my district and all across the country can't afford more tantrums threatening default and government shutdown. it's our job to find a solution and give businesses the market and american families the long-term certainty they deserve. this legislation isn't long-term solution. it's yet more irresponsible gamesmanship. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. is the other gentleman from michigan reserve? mr. ryan: i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: gentleman from michigan is recognized. mr. levin: i now yield one minute to the gentleman from maryland. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute.
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mr. delaney: there is more cash in u.s. corporations than ever in our country's history. they have three things they can do, raise their dividends, buy back stock, or make investments. to make investments which require a long-term time horizon, there needs to be certainty. if we care about american families, if we want our coppingses to make -- corporations to make investments that will create jobs, we'll have certainty on a debt ceiling for a reasonable period of time and we'll have fiscal certainty in this country in a balanced way, by balanced i mean additional revenues. that's what will create certainty in this country. that's what will get u.s. corporations investing. if they invest we create jobs and that helps working families. thank you. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. gentleman from michigan is recognized. mr. ryan: i roaf. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from michigan is recognized. mr. levin: how much time do we
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have? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan has one minute remaining. mr. levin: i yield myself the balance of the time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. ryan: this isn't no budget, no pay. this is three months, no certainty. you know, it's been said it kicks the can down the road. a road paved with uncertainty. mr. levin: what this does in a few words it keeps the sort of default hanging over the heads of this congress and over the heads of the american economy and the american people. it's unwise to do that. we tried that the summer of 2011. the republicans more than flirted with it. and they flirted dangerously.
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now they are pulling back, but instead of meeting this head-on, they essentially bring a bill here that presumes that it moves us ahead. when it moves us into more and more uncertainty. this is unwise. politically they think smart policy for the american people very dumb. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from michigan is recognized. mr. camp: i yield myself the balance of the time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: the gentleman, my friend from michigan, talked about certainty, yes there is certainty because the senate majority leader just announced they'll take up this bill and pass it. i think every american understands that we must get our debt and deficits under control. we have over $5 trillion in increases in deficits. and the obama administration,
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almost a 50% increase in our national debt. and let me just say that we have had many short-term increases in the debt limit over time. what was business as usual when the democrats were in the majority, we had nine short-term debt increases. three of them in 1987. six of them in 1990. before longer, more permanent debt limit increases were made. so what is business as usual for the democrats, they now call flirting dangerously for the republicans. i think it is very important we move forward on increasing the debt limit for this limited period of time. while we can then address the issues that will help affect our long-term debt and deficits. including the sequester and the continuing resolution. when the long-term debt of the united states was lowered to a double-a plus rating in 2011, on august 5, they said that the
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downgrade, which was after the budget control act was passed, they said the downgrade reflected their opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that congress and the administration recently agreed, meaning the budget control act, falls short of what in our view would be necessary to stabilize the government, medium term debt dynamics. meaning, we didn't do enough to address the drivers of our debt, long-term debt. we must do that. i would urge my colleagues to support h.r. 325, to support the no budget, no pay act. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back.
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the the gentlewoman from michigan is recognized. mrs. miller: thank you, mr. speaker. i move to suspend the rules and pass h.r. 325. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mrs. miller: madam speaker, i ask -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized for 10 minutes. mrs. miller: thank you. i yield myself such time as i may consume. madam speaker, i rise today in strong support of h.r. 325, the no budget, no pay act. the budget act of 1974 requires each house of congress to pass a budget each year by april 15. it's important of course because the budget we pass is our blueprint, literally, for how we are going to spend the hard-earned tax dollars that the american people send here to washington to run our nation. today we are in a situation where the united states senate has not passed a budget in nearly four full years, leaving the american people with no idea
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on how the senate intends to deal with the fiscal crises that is facing our federal government. in the time since the senate last passed a budget, the federal government has experienced deficits of over $1 trillion each and every year, and we have added more than $5 trillion to our national debt. obviously this is a very serious fiscal crises and the american people are demanding answers. this legislation will allow us room to begin working on a solution that will put our nation on a much more sound financial footing. this bill will extend our nation's borrowing authority for 90 days to give each house of congress, the house and senate, the needed time to do what they are legally required to do which is to pass a budget to show the american people how we intend to deal with the many challenges that we face. but while giving congress time to do its work, it also has a caveat, a very important caveat associated with it. that says if we don't do what we are required to do by law, that
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we will not be paid. simply put, no budget, no pay. this idea actually came, madam speaker, from previous bipartisan efforts to bring fiscal responsibility to washington. and now the president has indicated that if it reaches his desk, he will sign it. he he does not oppose it. as well there have been very promising indications coming out of the united states senate from many democratic members that they will also step up after four long years of inaction and put forward a budget. i believe that this can be the impetus today for us to work together to finally address our fiscal challenges. today we can send that very strong message to the american people with a bipartisan vote to show that we are willing to put our paychecks on the line to meet these challenges. some are concerned about whether or not this legislation is constitutional because of the
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27th amendment restriction that the pay of members of congress cannot be varied. that is really the operative phrase of that amendment. varied. that it can neither be raised or reduced until another election has taken place. and this bill, madam speaker, was carefully crafted to comply, to comply with the requirement of the 27th amendment. so this is how it will work. if either the house or the senate does not pass a budget by april 15, the deadline, then beginning on april 16 the pay for members of that chamber will be placed into an escrow account and will only be paid when that chamber, either the house or senate, has passed a budget or when we reach the end of the 113th congress. the amount that members are paid will not be reduced, nor will it be raised. so we stay in strict compliance with the terms of the 27th amendment.
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there is no requirement in the 27th amendment which states that members have to be paid weekly or biweekly or monthly or bimonthly, what have you, only that the pay they receive will not vary. will not vary. now, some have suggested that the escrow account into which the member pay would be deposited should bear interest so that that could then as well be paid to the members. this cannot happen because that would actually cause member pay to increase, of course. it would then vary their pay. which would not be in compliance with the strict terms of the 27th amendment. so i am extremely hopeful, madam speaker, that we will successfully conclude our work on a timely basis here in the house, and i hope that this additional provision as well encourages the senate to also complete our important work and pass a budget. and what we are suggesting certainly is not unreasonable. i'll tell you, i come from
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southeast michigan, and one thing can i tell you what is true about the people i'm honored to serve, they get up every single day, every morning, and work hard all day, every day, and they simply to not understand how congress can fail to do our job for almost four years, no budget out of the senate for almost four years, yet suffer no consequences. the american people are demanding that their members of congress deal effectively with the chal lection we face. our -- challenges we face. our problems are real. it's time for real solutions or real consequences. the concept, again, very simple. no budget, no pay. when times are tight, you balance your checkbook, checkbook, when you run out of money, you stop spending. when your credit card is maxed out, you cut it up or get a plan together to pay it off. if you don't do your job, you don't get paid. these are the principles, madam speaker, that americans live by and we certainly should be no exception. you urge my colleagues to join me in supporting this bill.
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i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from michigan reserves the balance of her time. the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized. >> madam speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. >> this bill is not a serious attempt to address the debt issue in this in a way dealing with the difficult choices we need to make. we have within here before, we know what happens when we govern with this kick the can down the road mentality. the effect again gwen is the constitutionality this bill is also dangerously unclear. mr. brady: i was not on the floor last week when my colleagues red the constitution. they may have reached the 27th amendment. i am not a constitutional attorney. i am not an attorney in any way. i make no apologies for that. no law varying the compensation for the service of the senators or representatives shall take effect until election of representatives shall have intervened.
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varying is the, again, as my friend did say, the tune -- opportune word. if you are not getting a paycheck in montreal, and you wait for 18 months -- in a month and you wait for 18 months, that's varying. it could be in my opinion a constitutional problem, but be that as it may, do i commend the majority that congress must pay its bills. that raising the debt ceiling isn't about spending more money, it's about paying for bills we already incurred. there is a bipartisan acknowledgement how difficult and serious the challenges before us have become, however, this proposal is just another attempt to yet again put the discussion off for another day. madam speaker, i came and saw the sign, no budget, no pay. probably should say no budget, delayed pay. but it sounds better when you say no budget, no pay. that means we may not be getting paid. we'll get made. it will be delayed. every year in this house we do
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pass a budget, although it's a budget i can't vote for, it's a budget that hurts the middle class, working class, the wannabe working class, and also hurts the american people safety net. we know again this year we'll pass that budget. so our friends on the other side of the aisle are putting up a no budget, no pay quite well-known they will probably pass their budget and we will probably get paid. on another thought, why not, as my good friend, mr. doyle from pittsburgh, has said to me, why not no gun control, no pay? why not into immigration reform, no pay? why not no disclose act, no pay? madam speaker, in my opinion, and i think a lot of my colleagues' opinion, it's a gimmick bill. no budget, no pay has no teeth. with that i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from pennsylvania reserves. the gentlewoman from michigan is recognized. mrs. miller: madam speaker, before i yield time to my good colleague here, a couple of comments in regard to what my
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ranking member has said from the committee. why not no gun control, no pay, or using some other examples? i would just point out that none of those are required by law. as passing a budget is required by law. also there was some comment again about the significance of the 27th amendment, and i would just say quickly a statement from david ripken jr. and lee casey, two constitutional attorneys that served in former administrations who say the bill passes muster. their comment, it does not vary members' compensation, instead holding it in escrow until such time that a budget is passed or congress comes to an end. it's just one other quote, from another constitutional attorney, actually a gentleman who rallied to support to pass the 27th amendment. i will probably point out in 199 it was my state of michigan that put it over the 3/4 threshold. he said, nowhere in such a proposal
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he said new york where do i see a violation of the terms, such a proposal doesn't vary the amount to congress, it delays disbursement of that dollar amount. at this time i'm honor and privileged to yield two minutes to the gentleman from mississippi, mr. harper a distinguished member of the committee on house administration. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. harper: ski unanimous consent to enter into the record a statement from david rive ken jr. and lee case -- ripken jr. and lee casey who are private practice attorneys with experience in administrative law. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. harper: the no budget, no pay bill was written specifically to ensure it complies with the 27th amendment to the constitution. it does not vary the amount of compensation and is therefore constitutional. it only changes when representatives and senators
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are paid if they fail to adopt a budget resolution as required by law. currently, representatives are paid monthly and senators are paid twice a month this bill simply says if the house does not adopt a budget resolution that members of that house instead get paid at the end of that term of congress. in 1789, james madison, when he introduced the 27th amendment, spoke of preventing changes in compensation from being for the benefit of those determining them. the clear purpose of the amendment, which as we know was not ratified until 1992, was to prevent members from drawing higher salary fless public treasury without giving voters an opportunity to speak on that decision. this bill does not benefit members at the expense of taxpayers and it is consistent with the provis -- provisions of the 27th amendment. with that, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back.
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the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized. mr. brady: it's my pleasure to recognize peter welch of vermont for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from vermont is recognized for one minute. mr. welch: i thank the gentleman. we have sharp differences in this body on taxes, on spending, on the best path forward to resolve our fiscal situation. these are legitimate debate bus there should be no daylight between us on meeting our obligation to pay our bills there should be no linkage between the obligation to pay our bills and getting our way on contentious issues in dispute among us. this is just like a person with a credit card who buys a refrigerator, at the end of the month when the credit card bill arrives, they have used the refrigerator, they see they're above the credit limit. they don't tear up the credit card they stiff their credit card company. we have to pay our bills. that is not negotiable.
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a year ago august when we went through this spectacle work this linkage, we suffered our first downgrade in the history of this country. that's outrageous and it with ill cost taxpayers money. if we mess around with the debt ceiling, creating uncertainty as to whether this is a political tool and gimmick, a 1% increase in rates will cost the taxpayers $1 trillion. i yield pack. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan is recognized. mrs. miller: the reason we have such an enormous amount of national debt, such a number that you can't even get your mind around it anymore, $16 trillion is because we have a big component of that is because we have not been following the law and having the senate pass a budget as we have done in this house. and i would say, having been very proud to participate and sit on the platform watching the president of the united states in his inaugural getting sworn in, just the other day, one of the things he said is
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that we have to address our debt and we have to work together and today the white house is saying they will not oppose this bill. so i am asking my colleagues to work together in a bipartisan way, passing a budget is the foundation for us to begin to get a handle on this out of control spending and the deficit and the debt that we have have and with that, madam speaker, i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the joom reserves. the gentleman from pennsylvania is reck -- is recognized. mr. brady: i would like to yield one minute to the gentleman from new york, mr. jevers. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. jevers: over the last two years, the debt ceiling has been illegitimately demonized and mischaracterized. if it were possible to give voice to the debt ceiling, it might ask the question, where do i go to get my reputation back.
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mr. jeffries: it is not designed to give the president the power to spend more, it's a backward looking vehicle to give the administration the ability to pay bills that have been incurred by the congress. we've all sworn an oath to uphold the constitution. we therefore have a constitutional obligation to protect the full faith and credit of the united states to prevent a default and to stop holding the economy hostage to economic and ideological extremism. the american people deserve a meaningful, long-term increase in the debt ceiling that will give us the stability to create economic growth. that's the reason i urge a no vote on this legislative gimmick. mrs. miller: i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from michigan reserves. the gentleman from spelve recognized. mr. brady: madam speaker, it's my pleasure to yield one minute
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to the quished democratic leader, ms. nancy pelosi. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized. ms. pelosi: thank you very much, madam speaker. i thank the gentleman for yielding. i thank him, our ranking member on the ways and means committee, and others for their leadership and clarity they have brought to the debate on the floor today. it's very curious, it's a curiosity that we have on the floor today. it's a substitute. it's to distract from the matter at hand. madam speaker, once again as has happened too often in the last two years, we have come to the floor at a moment when our republican colleagues are threatening the full faith and credit of the united states of america and putting the stability of our economy on the line. too often, families and small businesses have faced uncertainty about the debt ceiling that funding our national government, tax code
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and the rest. three months. where is the certainty in three months? we should not even be having a debate. it should be no doubt. that the full faith and credit of the united states will be honored. and that is what our constitution says. too often, house republicans have refused to acknowledge the negative impact of their actions, choosing to return to the same tired, failed strategy , one that only serves to, again, weaken our economy and undermine our middle class. that track record must end. now i'm hearing people say we should go down this path of least resistance. that's what i thought, it's an easy way out three months. but the fact is, that that is a path, a path to even more problems. as mr. crowley said a path to
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another cliff. our country needs a clean, long-term debt ceiling increase and a bipartisan balanced budget that protects medicare and social security, invests in the future and responsibly reduces the deficit. we all know that. we know that as we go forward to reduce the deficit we need growth and job creation, we need spending cuts, we need revenue. democrats have already agreed to $1.6 trillion in spending cuts. democrats have already agreed to more than $1 trillion in medicare savings to strengthen medicare and protect ben fish cares and not to asess their benefits. democrats and republicans came together to avert the fiscal cliff and raise revenues by delinking the tax cut for the high end from to the tax cuts for the middle class. we all agree more can and must
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be done to get our fiscal house in order. but we must face the facts. real, lasting deficit reduction will only be achieve through the an approach that is balanced, fair, and focused on the jobs, on jobs and the prosperity of our middle class. unfortunately, this bill on the floor today fails to meet those standards. americans an members of congress should remember two words -- two words about this legislation. two words. three months. three months. that's how long republicans are prepared to raise the debt ceiling. they really don't even address the debt ceiling issue. three months. but republican leaders are doing more. they have made promises to their fellow republicans to get their vote, to even go beyond the ryan budget. this is like the ryan budget on steroids.
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they have called this bill no budget, no pay. but who pays under the republican budget? seniors pay. ending the medicare guarantee. seniors, children, and people with disabilities pay, cutting medicaid. children pay because it will cut investments in their education and their future and their self-fulfillment in the competitiveness of our country and the global economy. veterans pay because of the gutting of our domestic spending priorities. i don't think we should ever link what we do here as to whether people get paid. we have a lot of work to do here this linkage is a gimmick, it's a joke, it's not right, it's designed to put people on the spot and say either you get
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-- you don't get paid and in order to get paid, in order for members of congress to get paid, you must cut benefits for seniors, and medicare guarantee, medicaid, and the rest. it's a false link, it shopt be there in the first place. and it is wrong. again, this proposal is a missed opportunity, it does not relieve the uncertainty faced by small businesses, the market, and the middle class. it is a gimmick unworthy of the fiscal and economic challenges that we face. this proposal does not have certainty, it does not have growth and it does not have my support. i urge a no vote. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from michigan is recognized. mrs. miller: madam speaker, i will yield myself as much time as i may consume and use the balance of our time which i understand is about one minute.
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the speaker pro tempore: yes. does the gentlewoman wish to close before the gentleman from pennsylvania? mrs. miller: no, i would reserve the balance of my time. mr. brady: how much time do i have, madam speaker? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman has four 1/2 minutes. mrs. miller: i reserve. mr. brady: i do have more speakers. i would like to yield to my good friend, right across the river from me, the gentleman from new jersey, mr. andrews. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. an truse: madam speaker -- mr. andrews: an owner of a software company is deciding whether to hire more people today, manufacturers deciding whether to buy a new piece of equipment, restaurant owner is deciding whether to add more tables and employees to her restaurant. to grow they need a stable financial environment. where we are doing is saying to
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those decisionmakers, don't war rirk the government will pay all of its bills until may 19. may 19. after that, we're not sure. the way to reduce the deficit, yes, it's fiscal restraint, adding revenue. but the way to reduce the deficit is to grow jobs in this country. the people who decide to grow jobs will not make that decision in an atmosphere of financial chaos. this bill creates another fiscal cliff. fiscal cliffs are the problem, not the solution. the solution is economic growth. let's oppose this bill and oppose yet another unnecessary cop drived fiscal cliff. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized. mr. brady: i would like to yield one minute to the gentleman from new york, mr. jerry lander.
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the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york is recognized for one minute. without objection. mr. nadler: thank you, madam speaker. the gimmick neighboring ture of this whole thing i won't elaborate on. it's been done before. the fact that this provision withholding pay from members of congress is unconstitutional as it varies members' pay is obvious. the argument that withholding pay for a year and a half or a year and 3/4 is not varying compensation, it's actually laughable and beneath respect. secondly, this is institutionalized bribery and extortion. it should never be considered. what this provision says is if you vote the way we think you ought to vote, you'll get paid. if you vote the way we think you should not vote, you will not get paid. that's why we have this provision in the constitution. we should not be bribing members. we should not say to a member, if you think the budget before you is not good for the country,
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vote against it and you won't get paid. if you think it's good -- not good for the country, you better vote for it because you have a mortgage payment coming due. how dare we. finally, the last thing we want to do is say to people thinking of running for the congress, if you're not a millionaire, don't run because you can't guarantee you'll be paid. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the the gentlewoman from michigan continues to reserve. the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized. mr. brady: yes, madam speaker. it's my honor to yield 1 1/2 minutes to the assistant democratic leader, mr. clyburn. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from south carolina is recognized for 1 1/2 minutes. mr. clyburn: madam speaker, i request unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. clyburn: i thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. in 2011 the majority leader, mr. cantor, said, we don't need to be governing in two-month
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increments. i agree. we don't need anymore uncertainty. i agree. he then said uncertainty prevents entrepreneurs from taking a risk from starting a business, and creating jobs. i agree. and governing in three-month increments is no better. it maintains a continuous cloud of uncertainty. we all saw the damage caused in 2011 when our republican colleagues risked the full faith and credit of the united states. this is -- this caused the downgrading of america's credit. going down this road again with our ongoing economic recover
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would reverse job growth. my republican colleagues continue to use the american economy as leverage for their ideological agenda and creating another cliff is not an adequate solution. this is hostage taking. and this is unacceptable. this bill merely kicks the can down the road and does nothing to end the uncertainty facing businesses. i urge a no vote. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlewoman continues to reserve. mr. brady: i have no more speakers. i'm prepared to close. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized for 30 seconds. excuse me, for one minute. mr. brady: thank you, madam speaker. just quickly again, i see the sign and hear my previous speakers from the other side talk about no budget, no pay. it's no budget delayed pay.
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trying to let the american people to fool the american people by saying we are not getting paid, which is not true. we are going to be getting paid, which i doubt also, at the end of 18 months. so we are going to get paid. the reason why i doubt that because every year our colleagues, my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, do pass a budget. we pass a budget that we agree with? no. do they hurt middle class? yes. do they hurt working class? yes. did they take away safety nets? yes. do they hurt our veterans? yes. without question i will make a bet with anybody that would like to there will be a budget passed in this session. when that happens they'll try to put some pressure on the senate, which could easily pass anything they want to pass, and that makes this no budget, no pay, no teeth. with that, madam speaker, i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from pennsylvania yields back. the gentlewoman from michigan is recognized for one minute. mrs. miller: madam speaker, i yield myself such time as i may
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consume. which i understand is about one minute. i would just say this, madam speaker, that what we are hearing from our democratic colleagues here in the house is really a complete disconnect from what we are hearing from their senate colleagues about this particular bill. you have house democrats saying that this bill is nothing but a dimic. i have heard it said that this bill is a joke. in other words, it is a gimmick or a joke to suggest that congress should follow the law. i think that's different than what senate democrats have been saying very vocally that this bill actually will give them an opportunity to pass a budget. the white house saying that they won't oppose it. again, it's a complete disconnect from my colleagues here on the floor, some that i'm hearing on the other side there. i would say more pointedly, it's a complete disconnect from what the american people have as an expectation for their government, which is to follow the law, pass a budget, to get a handle on our debt, and our spending, to prioritize our spending in a budget, again, is a blueprint for a path forward.
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it speaks to the american people of the priorities of their congress, of their government. we will have lots of opportunities, other opportunities, to address this terrible national debt. i would urge my colleagues to join me in supporting this bill. i yield the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. all time for gate has expired. pursuant to house resolution 39, the previous question is ordered on the bill as amended. the question is on engrossment and third reading of the bill. so many as are in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have it. third reading. the clerk: a bill to ensure the complete and timely payment of the obligations of the united states government until may 19, 2013, and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from florida seek recognition? >> madam speaker, i have a motion to recommit at the desk. the speaker pro tempore: is the gentleman opposed to the bill? >> i am opposed in its current form. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman qualifies.
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the clerk will report the motion. the clerk: million murphy of florida moves to recommit the bill h.r. 325 to the committee on ways and means with instructions to report the same back to the house forthwith with the following amendment. at the end of the following, add the new section, section 4, protecting veterans, troops, and seniors from benefit cuts and cost increase. a concurrent resolution on the budget shall not be taken into account under section 3 if the concurrent resolution provides for, one, any cut in benefits for veterans, members of the armed forces, or their families. or two, any cugget in benefits for seniors including, a, the elimination of guaranteed health insurance benefits for seniors or people with disabilities. b, the conversion of medicare into a voucher plan that provides limited payments to seniors or people with disabilities to purchase health care in the private health insurance market. c, cuts in medicaid health insurance benefits.
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d, cuts in nursing home care or, e, privatization of social security benefits. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from florida is recognized for five minutes. mrs. miller: point of order. the speaker pro tempore: point of order is reserved. the gentleman from florida is recognized for five minutes in support of his motion. mr. murphy: madam speaker, this is the final amendment to the bill which will not kill the bill or send it back to committee. if adopted the bill will be amended and immediately proceed to final passage. madam speaker, i appreciate that the republican leadership has put forward legislation that would raise the nation's debt ceiling, agreeing it is not an option for the united states to default on its obligations. i also support that members of congress should not be paid if they do not do their jobs. part of which is to pass a responsible budget, but i do not agree with the political gamesmanship of once again
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playing politics with our serious fiscal issues and using short-term gimmicks rather than working to find long-term solutions. we need to stop playing games with the debt ceiling and spend our time in energy on job creation. i supported a clean debt limit bill, however, because in this version congressional pay has been tied directly to passing a budget, it is important to ensure that the budget that is passed is responsible and protects our most vulnerable citizens. my amendment would not kill the underlying legislation. it would merely add commonsense protections to the bill for members of our armed forces, our veterans, and our seniors from the budget cutting process. anyone who supports the underlying legislation has no reason to not also support this amendment. if adopted, the debt limit would still be raised to allow the government to pay its obligations through may 19, and members of congress would still have their pay withheld if they failed to agree to a budget resolution by april 15.
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the amendment simply clarifies that the budget resolution protects our troops, veterans, and seniors. i recently visited the west palm beach v.a. medical center. speaking with both veterans and staff who i heard their very real fears that their benefits, which they put for, would be threatened by the political games manship in washington. i see that same anxiety in the eyes of seniors i spoke with from the treasure coast who worry that cuts to medicare and the privatization of social security could lead to a choice between a meal or medicine. after hearing these concerns, i expressed time and time again throughout my district, i cannot understand why anyone would oppose amending the underlying legislation to ensure veterans, troops, and seniors are protected from devastating cuts. madam speaker, this amendment language should have the full support of the house. it simply states we cannot cut benefits for veterans, members of the armed forces, or cut benefits for seniors. that we will not gamble our
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grandparents' future on wall street or turn medicaid into a voucher system designed more to help out big corporations than those struggling or disabled. madam speaker, i also want to express my disappointment that the underlying legislation has another short-term fix when our country needs long-term solutions. i spoke to several business groups last week and they want stability from our government. if they had certainty, they would begin investing capital back into our economy rather than sitting on it. our dysfunctional congress is to blame for slowing our recovery. now is the time to work together with courage and purpose, to come to a grand bargain that will protect america's greatness for generations to come. our nation cannot afford to continue down the path of such fiscal irresponsibility. such piecemeal approaches will not address our country's long-term fiscal health. rather, we must look at reducing spending, generating revenue, lowering unemployment, addressing the long-term
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sustainability of social security and medicare, and creating additional economic growth through job creation. a real fix to america's long-term fiscal issues and deficit reduction can only come by truly coming to the table without personal agendas and with the recognition that america needs less political gamesmanship and more leadership. unfortunately, the underlying legislation in its current form falls short of what our country desperately needs. that is why i hope my amendment will be adopted here today as a first step towards putting aside partisanship and instead protecting our veterans, troops, and seen jurors -- seniors. while the underlying legislation is not perfect, it is not the grand bargain we were hoping for, it would show there is willingness in the 113th congress for a compromise. as you move forward from the debate over the debt limit and on to other pressing fiscal issues, we can no longer settle for short-term approaches to our public policy, but instead work together to come to the grand bargains that will ensure
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america continues to be the greatest country for generations to come. madam speaker, my amendment is an opportunity to show the american people that this congress is willing to work together and compromise to address our fiscal issues and to protect our troops, veterans, and seniors. i urge my colleagues to vote in support of my commonsense amendment. i yield the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from michigan rise. mrs. miller: i withdraw my point of order. the speaker pro tempore: the reservation is withdrawn. for what purpose does the gentleman from wisconsin rise? mr. ryan: oppose the motion to recommit. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for five minutes. mr. ryan: madam speaker, as i read this motion to recommit, it says that the concurrent resolution on the budget shall not do this, shall not do that, shall do this, shall do that. this debate belongs when we do the budget. we are not at the budget yet.
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look, i'm glad people are excited about actually debating a budget. that's wonderful, let's hold that enthusiasm until we actually are debating a budget. the purpose of this bill is to actually get us to have that debate, to have a budget. what's frustrating for democrats and republicans in the house, i would like to say, is that the other body hasn't been doing a budget for four years. the minority to their credit brought a budget to the floor, the majority brought a budget to the floor and passed it each of the last two years. the senate, no budget. . so what we decided to do was take a piece of legislation from tremendous minority, the no budget budget, no pay, legislation, to add it to this so we can get to discussing this nation's fiscal house, which is not in order, madam speaker. we should defeat this motion to recommit, it's premature, prejudging a budget that does not yet exist. so let's get rid of this motion to recommit, be serious about
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this short-term extension so we can make sure we have the debate we deserve. how are we going to prevent a debt crisis? how are we going to balance the budget? how are we going to have growth and opportunity in this society? how are we going to save medicare? how are we going to make sure we can pay our bills and stop the government living beyond our means? how are we going to secure a future for our children and grandchildren. that's the debate surrounding the budget. this is premature, it applies to a budget that hasn't been written yet which will be written on a baseline that doesn't exist yet. let's defeat this motion to recommit, it's silly, it's partisan, it's process, and let's move on. with that, eye elled beam -- i yield. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from wisconsin yields back. without objection, the previous question is on the motion to recommit. those in favor say aye.
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those opposed, no. the noes have it. the motion is not agreed. to mr. -- >> i request the yeas and montreal canadiens. the speaker pro tempore: the yeas and nays are requested. those favoring a vote by the yeas and nays will rise. a a sufficient number having risen, the yeas and nays are ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. pursuant to clause 9 of rule 20, the chair will reduce to five minutes the minimum time for any eelect tropic vote on the question of passage.
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